Zeitgeist and the Venus Project
I stumbled upon the Zeitgeist Movement's Z-Day website a couple of weeks ago and discovered that there was to be an event which coincided with a visit to Perth in Scotland.
I had watched Zeitgeist and found it very interesting as would all but the die-hard fundamentalists of all religions. Earlier this year, I watched Zeitgeist: Addendum and was going along with it until it reached the part about the Venus Project. Something felt very technocratic and sterile about it.
Anyway, I watched the Activists' Orientation Video (the title gave me the creeps) and had deep reservations about it but felt that I ought to go to the event anyway - to get a measure of what other people felt. As it happened the event was merely a showing of the AOV again. On second hearing I can only say that my reaction was one of horror. Most people simply disappeared at the end but I stayed to share my concerns with the organiser who seemed to share at least a few of my reservations.
Since then I have been expecting to see the usual suspects denouncing the Zeitgeist Movement/Venus Project as a New World Order psy-op - after all, it presents Huxley's Brave New World as a utopia rather than the dystopia which Huxley attempted to portray. Incidentally, anybody who believes that Aldous Huxley was a pro-NWO eugenicist has not read his 1958 book, Brave New World Revisited.
It wasn't until a couple of days later that I found a video of the 'sold out' event in New York. I skipped to the end of the presentation of the AOV at which point there was rapturous applause (I assume that the flock were on their feet too).
Surely this can't be real? Surely these people who are apparently 'open' to the notion that humankind has been manipulated for centuries cannot seriously fall for this thinly veiled New World Order propaganda.
And then, as if any further proof were needed that something wasn't right with this picture, I found this in the New York Times:
The tenth paragraph says:
'The former [Zeitgeist: The Movie] may be most famous for alleging that the attacks of Sept. 11 were an 'inside job' perpetrated by a power-hungry government on its witless population, a point of view that Mr. Joseph said he has recently 'moved away from.' Indeed, the second film, the focus of the event, was all but empty of such conspiratorial notions, directing its rhetoric and high production values toward posing a replacement for the evils of the banking system and a perilous economy of scarcity and debt.
Do the libertarians who oppose the New World Order really want to surrender their decision making to computers? In the AOV, this is compared to using a pocket calculator to make decisions - except that pocket calculators don't make decisions - they -er calculate.
After stating that the Earth's soil is eroding at a rate of 1% per annum earlier in the film, it later says that food will be grown by hydroponics - no irony there?
Everything will be plugged into a central computer which will monitor all resources - is there any reason to believe that people will not be regarded as resources in this context?
In summary, there was nothing in the Activists' Orientation Video which made me feel comfortable and I am deeply concerned that anybody who has had their eyes opened will think that this is the solution.
Zeitgeist: The Movie:
Zeitgeist: Addendum:
Zeitgeist Movement: Activists' Orientation Video:
Labels: New-World-Order, Venus-Project, Zeitgeist
posted by flamesong at
Saturday, March 21, 2009
7 Comments:
Venus Project?
No thanks - I'll go with the savages .
All they are offering is a life of sterility. No joy , no suffering , no ideas neccessary.
Golf carts and widescreens for everyone.
No peaks and troughs but flatlined , a kind of living death .
The more I think about this vision of social change , the worse it appears to me.
Computers will make all the decisions for me ??!!
Please explain to me how this can be a free society ?
I've seen the Venus project film twice now . The first time , I had reservations .. I liked some of the ideals, but ( for example)I knew that hydroponics were never a way forward - we need to build up the natural health of soil, not ignore it.Our life depends upon it , along with good water.
Hydroponics is about adding an artificial solution to water .
The second time I watched with increasing disbelief and horror at what I was being fed.
Its just more unreality in the system .
Venus Project = pollution of ideals
Though it most certainly is not a completed idealogy, and not one that I necessarily agree with, (Zeitgeist seems very much to follow a pattern of power consolidation that could easily benefit a new world order or world government), I believe the venus project itself is completely misunderstood.
It does not attempt to completely sterilize thought process and remove all human emotional highs and lows. The main goal is more the removal of an absolute need for menial or repetitive work replaced by education and a new mindset that a human's purpose is to contribute new ideas rather than just do a task in order to survive. Without a clean slate though, this self-motivational paradigm has a low probability of functioning as well as the group's leaders would hope it would. It has the possibility to manage resources, keep people healthier, and work to profoundly elevate the race, but at the same time likely will face a great deal of difficulties, fierce opposition, and on top of all this it is likely a puppet of the elitist power structure anyway.
This said, Jaque Fresco's inventions are awesome. I just want to see mag-lev trains, those ring-based helicopters, autocorrecting cars, well-designed homes etc.
What is illogical about it? Or terrible?
I don't understand what you people are holding onto...
I fail to understand how someone could not agree with the philosophy behind the Venus Project.
If the goal is to intellectually advance and free the human race from labor, slavery, wars, accidents, deaths, hunger, poverty while creating an environment that is safe, open with a true democracy at it's root, how can one disagree? Maybe the ones that have most to lose: people in power.
Some percentage of the watchers of Addendum tend to missunderstand the venus project as a new world order system with Matrix machines controling the humans and making us 1 unique mind no joy...etc...
If you guys says that you have watched the documentary 2 times and get that conclusion, should watch it more times... go into the forums and ask questions, go into the Ventrilo audio chat rooms to talk by voice with the people in the movement, etc.
The venus project aims to provide automatation to free the humans of the necessity of labor jobs... money...power... etc... without money and power making no sense, you have a free society. If you call it utopia is because you don't want to start contributing to it...
about machines controlling us... u may think that if u've watched too many sci-fi movies... all the decisions needs a technical process to help you take that decision based on a database of knowledge and facts (no opinions). That's a why a computer can HELP you take the decision about every aspect in life... like it already does in our current lives...
I don't feel Linux is controling my life... instead it makes it much easier...and pleasant.
Funny thing about zeitgeist fans and fans of the venus project, is they generally have a complete lack of knowledge of the objectives of the movement itself.
Likewise they tend to simply quote the rhetoric of the movement and the movie like a public relations mouthpiece or an advertising campaign or even a news broadcast.
Anyone with any experience from within the movement [like i have, ive been there since it started]would wonder why there is no evidence provided from the venus project after 30 years of existance, let alone any solid proof, simulated data, or verified scientific papers.
It has to be asked why have we not had any free thinkers produce backing evidence to their claims in this 3 decade span ?
The reason, which any experienced researcher will find is this, there are none, and the venus project does not want to actually build any cities.
Dont believe me?
Ask the spokes people for the zeitgeist movement, check the venus project objectives, ask the venus project leaders themselves and you will see.
No the movement would rather focus its attention on a world wide publicity campaign to get people interested in an idea that isnt even built on solid ground.
They would prefer its members to willingly advertise it, and volunteer to work
The fact that the venus project only wants to "educate", and i use that term very loosely, people about a rbe and the city is very telling.
The website [venus project] only requires 3d designers, artists, movie producers, script writers and other media people, even though they are asking people to do this for free.
People dont question why they arent proving the idea, but they are happy they are advertising it.
And people dont even bother to question why there is no timeline given for these efforts, why they cant build it now, even though Jacque himself states it is possible to prove his rbe now.
Likewise most people are not even aware the two owners have trademarked the rbe so noone can use the idea without their consent, they also hold judge and jury over the projects objectives, not letting experts get the thing going.
the objectives are:
phase 1 of the project advertise and recruit, spread awareness of the venus project and an rbe..even if it isnt supported by facts/eveidence or anyone but the members and leaders
phase 2 create movies and advertising campaigns to recruit more members, yet more adverts/propaganda and infomercials discussing an unproven idea.
phase 3 build a test site/city [wouldnt this be a lovely idea]
phase 4 build a theme park, or technology museum, selling the ideas that the rbe is the way to save earth.
If you are a real scientist I would not bother since you will b placed into a data base and have little input into the movement or its obectives, until after their advertising campaign to recruit the entire human species.
The best thing you can do if you area scientist is this:
Attempt to validate or invalidate the value of an rbe, attempt to do things yourself and get this seemingly cultish movement off the ground or off the radar.
Likewise if you have any resources and finances, send them their way they clearly need them to validate their huge claims.
Likewise if you are a bone fide researcher, watch this movements forum carefully, as right now the members are showing many signs that are stated in Robert Jay Lifton's Eight Point Model of Thought Reform.
Another thing to note is how the fans of Jacque Fresco ignore that his ideas are similar to that of the peace movements and technocratic movements over 5 decades ago.
In fact a quick browse of a Herbert Marcuse book published in 1964 will show identical ideas 9 yars before Jacque Fresco considered his Venus Project .
0ne could even go so far as to compare socialism and communism to the traits it bears, not to say it is any of these, rather a hybrid that has taken the ideas of all and blended them.
Here is another blog with many critical analyses of the venus project and the zitgeist movement, which you and your readers may find interesting.
http://anticultist.wordpress.com/
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